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Test Gets No Respect

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William K.
William K.
5/11/2013 10:29:51 PM
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Re: Test Dept.: Engineer / designer / developer
While most things are possible, at least in theory, that does not mean that they can be done economically, or that they can be done right repeatedly. Unfortunately those without insight are simply not able to grasp that part of reality, and so the labor under the illusion that "if I want it to be so, then it is so", which is a good roadmap for the path to failure.

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William K.
William K.
5/11/2013 10:25:27 PM
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Yes, I had both a great supervisor and a good product development scientist at that place. I was both appreciated and rewarded, and respected by the people in other areas, who also were able to ask me questions. Knowledge, understanding, and insight are wonderful things to be able to share. But the new division manager was different, being of an acounting background, rather than an engineering background. While industry does need acounting weasels, we certainly do not need them to be in charge.

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goafrit
goafrit
5/9/2013 1:04:39 AM
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>>  I guess that is what they teach in MBA school. 

MBA is good because it teaches you to believe that anything is possible. I have one and the core is it builds confidence that you can be wrong and still think you are strategic about it! It is an illusion because it brings ego that you have solutions to all business problems. Like the Apple guy that was fired by JC Penney recently who came into a new sector and dismantled decades of a company tradition.

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goafrit
goafrit
5/9/2013 1:01:39 AM
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>> Especially in ASIC, almost 60-70% of effort & cost is being spent for verification and validation.

That is simply what I got when I joined the industry. Is it not an irony that firms do not spend time on developing testing strategy even before the product is designed. It  is possible thinking ahead will reduce that cost.

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goafrit
goafrit
5/9/2013 1:00:12 AM
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>> And at my most recent job my manager did appreciate my work, while the division manager believed that "all engineers are equal and interchangeable."

You must be working with excellent supervisors. Mine here will challenge you more but will commend you at the back. If one begins to have the mindset that he gets it all the time, complacency can come in.

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thenmugilan
thenmugilan
4/17/2013 10:02:54 AM
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> If you seperate testing cost from the productionc cost, you can see that you spend a lot of money on that.

That's true.  Testing cost is one of the key factors for the NRE cost.  Especially in ASIC, almost 60-70% of effort & cost is being spent for verification and validation.

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William K.
William K.
4/14/2013 3:34:29 PM
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How high a level of skill does it take to gain appreciation? Most of my designs worked as designed the first time power was applied. My mechanical designs worked "as built", and my sales letters were very seldom challenged by management, and they usually went out as I wrote them. My electronic designs workd as delivered on most occasions, and my BOM choices were correct. And at my most recent job my manager did appreciate my work, while the division manager believed that "all engineers are equal and interchangeable." I guess that is what they teach in MBA school. 

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goafrit
goafrit
4/13/2013 5:24:11 PM
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>> The downside of being so multi-skilled is that it seems like one never is adequately appreciated,

You are very correct. Until one has a high level of skill in one area with deep expertise, appreciation may not come. Most of the Fellows in the industry are legends that are very good in some very narrow areas. They do not need to know a lot of things in other areas.

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goafrit
goafrit
4/13/2013 5:21:32 PM
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>> Oh really, is testing so expensive? Isnt test cost included in over all cost of the production

Yes, it is. If you seperate testing cost from the productionc cost, you can see that you spend a lot of money on that. I am writing as an ASIC designer that has to do qualifications in many products. That means you need to test each of these products, not just sampling, before you ship.

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William K.
William K.
3/1/2013 4:35:36 PM
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@bobs bots: I have been all of those engineers and others on some job. Not only ablke to design a system after first developing the concepts that it would embody, but also writing the controls code and then possibly borrowing a Bridgeport mill to make some adapter that the customer was supposed to supply for our addition. 

That is the advantage of working in a smaller organization, which is that there is always something to do. The downside of being so multi-skilled is that it seems like one never is adequately appreciated, since complaining about how difficult some part of the project is has never been my practice. Oh Well.

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