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Stability Testing a Switching Power Supply

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womai
womai
3/13/2013 2:23:39 AM
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Re: Thanks for the memories!
I remember seeing a VNA explicitly dedicated to power supply measurements, which thus has a very small lower frequency limit (1 Hz):

https://www.picotest.com/products_BODE100.html

There are also injection transformers which transform the VNAs 50 Ohm impedance into something lower (one common issue is that the VNA impedance is not really a good fit for the very low impedance of the power supply).

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MD
MD
3/8/2013 1:51:45 PM
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Re: Thanks for the memories!
> is difficulty in finding modern ones with low enough ranges.

9kHz seems a common SA bottom-end for some reason. Same with VNAs?

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jason8957
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3/8/2013 10:32:31 AM
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Re: Thanks for the memories!
Thanks for your comments.

I think one of the reasons that we use such an old VNA is difficulty in finding modern ones with low enough ranges.  I actually took my captures using a floppy disk and putting them on my computer with a USB floppy drive, which still works.

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EMC Guru
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3/7/2013 9:19:35 AM
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Thanks for the memories!
Using a VNA to calulate the phase and gain margins brings back memories when I was working as a PS designer for Rockwell Intl. We were designing DC-DC power supplies for the MX missile and were routinely using Dean Venable's Bode measurement system to calculate these stability factors. Of course, our power supplies only had to run reliably for about 20 minutes (but in all environments, if you know what I mean)! :-)

Calculating stability for switchers was new technology back in the early 1980s. It's nice to know it can still be done with the new-fangled switcher ICs. Thanks for runnning us through your experiments.

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Myscope
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2/20/2013 3:43:52 AM
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Re: Iterations
MD, thanks for reminding us about the old stuff. Any plan for similar tutorials in near by time.

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Wale Bakare
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2/16/2013 3:29:26 PM
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Re: Iterations
Hmm! MD thanks for the reminder on PCB.

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MD
MD
2/16/2013 3:13:32 PM
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Re: Iterations
We have run a little tutorial, though I don't think switchers in particular were discussed.

The PCB Design Course, Part 1

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Wale Bakare
Wale Bakare
2/16/2013 3:05:40 PM
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Re: Iterations
>>And actual PCB routing could take up an entire blog on its own.<<

Of course that would be interesting for engineers with minor background in hardware and perhaps PCB deisgn.


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jason8957
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2/15/2013 1:24:11 PM
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Re: Iterations
"Different parameters (I can't recall which) should ideally be selected for in the upper and lower transistors."

I think a lot depends upon your step down.  If you are stepping down a long way, your sync FET is going to carry a lot more average current so RDSON is very important in this FET while in your top FET you may be more concerned about losses from gate charge.  Starting to get out of my knowledge zone here, but depending on the switching speed it may be necessary to add a snubber or diode across the bottom FET.


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MD
MD
2/15/2013 1:11:27 PM
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I designed some switchers (2-3A or so) once using cheap controller chips and dual MOSFETs. While most duals contain identical FETs, I discovered this wasn't ideal for a buck switcher. Different parameters (I can't recall which) should ideally be selected for in the upper and lower transistors. Duals are available with this optimization, or one can use separate parts. Using a regular dual is OK at lower power levels, but definitely not optimal.

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